LeRoy, Robin
Birth: 1475 in Saint Malo, Bretagne, France
Death: 1535 in Saint Malo, Bretagne, France
Parents:
Spouse:
Children:
- Jean LeRoy
- Genevieve Cotin
Spouse:
- +1 Collette Floury
- +2 Renée Guillemette Morel
Children:
- LeRoy, Jacques 1480-1572
Firstly I'd like to thank you for the wonderful website you've put together. the recent changes "pre-undweyn" in particular are very interesting.
Interesting to see that even sites like wikitree reference you're page. My line apparently splits from yours at Robin Leroy born 1475.
Recently my question are about the authenticity of the information on sites like GENI or ancestry.com that leads all the way back to Undweyn. According to Timothy Robert Roy ( your "discussion" page that I've also seen on Geni I think) . the records were burned. I was curious to know if you've ever been able to secure some evidence on or off these sites about the authenticity of our linkage back to Undweyn?
I'd like to offer my help to collaborated with you when if needed and also to share some info that I've been looking into on my own,
so here goes
I've spent some time looking into the Maxwell Family history as Maccus, son of Undwin (brother of Leroy) is the founder of that family.
http://www.mocavo.com/The-Scottish-Nation-or-the-Surnames-Families-Literature-Honours-and-Biographical-History-Volume-3-2/242950/150
in this link its states the Ewin Maccuswell of Carlaverockwas at the battle of Alnwick with Malcolm Cranmore in 1093. This was written some years after the fact and I believe that between Norse, Saxon and latin Naming Ewin, Allywyn and undweyn may all be the same.
http://www.mocavo.com/The-Book-of-Carlaverock-Memoirs-of-the-Maxwells-Earls-of-Nithsdale-Lords-Maxwell-Herries-With-Plates-Including-Portraits-and-Facsimiles-and-Genealogical-Tables/505591/70
the book of Carlaverock aslo supports many of the theories in GENI as well as your website,
Here is what I consider a very reliable page to trace from my Great grandfather back to the first settler of my line in Canada Mathurin
http://www.nosorigines.qc.ca/GenealogieQuebec.aspx?genealogie=Roy_Amedee&pid=798212&lng=fr
here is the supposed 24 Leroy ancestor of America, I believe your ancestor is 5
http://famillesroy.org/ancetres/les-24/
Soooom maybe a bit to much info for a first mail, just wanted to say thanks for your hard work and also ask a bit about how "sure" are we about the early line especially the link from Undewyn to Leroy de Norseman.
Thank you
Thank you so much for the links - I especially like the Roy Family Association of America site.
I think it is well done without becoming overwhelming. It didn't translate to English very well!
Now as for your question about authenticity of information.
I try very hard to get at least two confirmations about names, places and dates.
It doesn't happen all the time, so I hope that eventually it will be confirmed. If not, then I'll delete it.
However, I'm reluctant to delete information as there is so little available, so I would rather be wrong until proven right!
Plus, someone needs to do some leg work. I hope to go to Quebec next year and then perhaps France the following year.
Time will tell.
I welcome and appreciate any and all information that you would like to publish.
One day I will get around to establishing a permanent website for the LeRoys.
BTW, my apologies for "changing" your last name.
When I first started the family tree, I "corrected" all the last names - changed them all to LeRoy.
BIG mistake!
Eventually I will have to go back and revert them to their original names.
I hope to hear from you again soon.
I think it is well done without becoming overwhelming. It didn't translate to English very well!
Now as for your question about authenticity of information.
I try very hard to get at least two confirmations about names, places and dates.
It doesn't happen all the time, so I hope that eventually it will be confirmed. If not, then I'll delete it.
However, I'm reluctant to delete information as there is so little available, so I would rather be wrong until proven right!
Plus, someone needs to do some leg work. I hope to go to Quebec next year and then perhaps France the following year.
Time will tell.
I welcome and appreciate any and all information that you would like to publish.
One day I will get around to establishing a permanent website for the LeRoys.
BTW, my apologies for "changing" your last name.
When I first started the family tree, I "corrected" all the last names - changed them all to LeRoy.
BIG mistake!
Eventually I will have to go back and revert them to their original names.
I hope to hear from you again soon.
Thanks for getting back to me, I appreciate you taking the time considering your adventurous 24/7 on the road lifestyle.
No worries about the Roy LeRoy change, I fully recognize that Leroy is the original and in question of geneology I consider them the same.
I've attache an excel file, which is where i've been tracking things I've found on the internet, my family tree is there. btw the links I sent with mocavo, no longer work, seem the site change owners, luckily I had downloaded the book ahead of time.
Since my last mail I've been investigating some "Purely Coincidential" theory about the Origins of Undewyn,. Like I mentioned it seem the Maxwell's Claim that Undewyn is their forefather as well. I've added two jpg's I'd like to share with you. here they seem to think Undweyn (or alwin, aylwin almundus) is a saxon lord who took refuge in the north after the Norman invasion. in the Domesday book there is a sheriff form Warwickshire now as Aluuin (in latin) Ailwyn (saxon) translated, his son Thorkell (or Thurcil) was one of the few noble to retain land after invasion, he is also the founder of the Arden family
Ok so purely circumstantial, with no links between Undewyn of scotland and Athelwine (alwin) of Warwickshire, but take a look at Alwin's family, they are earl's of Mercia and some interesting names come up,
go to this link
http://gilken.com/tng/getperson.php?personID=P20271&tree=mullin
Alwin (Æthelwine) of Arden, Sheriff of Warwickshire b. Warwickshire, England , d. 1087, Warwickshire, England
son of Godwine of Mercia, b. 979, Mercia, Anglo-Saxon England , d. 1039, Mercia, Anglo-Saxon England (Age 60 years)
Godwin has three brothers coincidentally two are named Northman (norseman?) and Eadwin phonetically very close to Undewyn.
Leofric III, 5th Earl of Mercia, b. 14 May 968 , Mercia, Anglo-Saxon England , d. 31 Aug 1057, Mercia, Anglo-Saxon England (Age 89 years)
Eadwine of Mercia, b. 977, Mercia, Anglo-Saxon England , d. 1039, Wales (Age 62 years)
Northman (Normannus) of Mercia, b. 981, Mercia, Anglo-Saxon England , d. 25 Dec 1017, Assendun, Essex, England (Age 36 years)
SONS of
Leofwine, Ealdorman of the Hwicce, b. 946, Mercia, Anglo-Saxon England , d. 1023, Mercia, Anglo-Saxon England (Age 77 years)
Leofwine and his son's are very much historical figures and bothers to the earl's of Mercia, and can be found in wikipedia, check out a BIO on Thorkell here in History
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coughton,_Warwickshire
So yes, this was just something I dug up, no Geneological sites make this linkage, its just me clutching at strings, but its interesting when you consider that names could change in spelling from Saxon English, Latin, Norman and Scottish.
Aethelwine (Alwin), Aluuin, Almundus, Undewyn respectively (I'm guessing at this of course).
On top of that, the fact that Alwin's son Thorkill was only one of two nobles that initially kept their land after the invasion, and he supposedly has Norman ties through his mother. I was always curious as to how after Undewyn's Death in 1090 aprox, his wife moved to France, seem like a bold move for a single mother in those times, her having Norman ties could account for this,
Another little theory of mine, the link below states the Ewin maccuwel (maxell) was at was at the siege of Alnwick with Malcolm Canmore in 1093 where Malcolm Died. this was a generation before the Maxwell name was given in Scotland, but Ewin is pretty close to Undewyn right? and this account of Ewin was written centuries later
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/nation/maxwell.htm
Undewyn supposedly died in 1090
Aethelwine (alwin) of Warwick in 1083
Seige of Alnwick was 1093, all these date are pretty close.
so, just thinking, it possible Undewyn, left his lands in Warwickshire to his half Norman son upon the invasion in 1066, fled North, fought on the side of the Scottish (Norse-Gales), during the harrying of the north, Died at the siege of Alnwick, whereafter his other son Maccus gave rise to the Mawell clan, (land given to him for family service at Alnwick) and his Norman wife left with young Leroy to Brittany/Normandy
Aethelwine's cousin's the earls of Mercia were certainly fighting the Normans in Northumbria (Edwine earl of Mercia and Morcar, Earl of Northumbria)
wild theories I know... in the end I can only trace back another four generations with this theory, but is was fun to learn about the Norman conquest!
I live in Spain btw and go back to Canada (Ontario and Quebec) every year to visit my family, so let me know if you need help with the "Leg Work"
I hope this mail wasn't too confusing, let me know if you need any clarifications!! have a great day
Cheeers!
No worries about the Roy LeRoy change, I fully recognize that Leroy is the original and in question of geneology I consider them the same.
I've attache an excel file, which is where i've been tracking things I've found on the internet, my family tree is there. btw the links I sent with mocavo, no longer work, seem the site change owners, luckily I had downloaded the book ahead of time.
Since my last mail I've been investigating some "Purely Coincidential" theory about the Origins of Undewyn,. Like I mentioned it seem the Maxwell's Claim that Undewyn is their forefather as well. I've added two jpg's I'd like to share with you. here they seem to think Undweyn (or alwin, aylwin almundus) is a saxon lord who took refuge in the north after the Norman invasion. in the Domesday book there is a sheriff form Warwickshire now as Aluuin (in latin) Ailwyn (saxon) translated, his son Thorkell (or Thurcil) was one of the few noble to retain land after invasion, he is also the founder of the Arden family
Ok so purely circumstantial, with no links between Undewyn of scotland and Athelwine (alwin) of Warwickshire, but take a look at Alwin's family, they are earl's of Mercia and some interesting names come up,
go to this link
http://gilken.com/tng/getperson.php?personID=P20271&tree=mullin
Alwin (Æthelwine) of Arden, Sheriff of Warwickshire b. Warwickshire, England , d. 1087, Warwickshire, England
son of Godwine of Mercia, b. 979, Mercia, Anglo-Saxon England , d. 1039, Mercia, Anglo-Saxon England (Age 60 years)
Godwin has three brothers coincidentally two are named Northman (norseman?) and Eadwin phonetically very close to Undewyn.
Leofric III, 5th Earl of Mercia, b. 14 May 968 , Mercia, Anglo-Saxon England , d. 31 Aug 1057, Mercia, Anglo-Saxon England (Age 89 years)
Eadwine of Mercia, b. 977, Mercia, Anglo-Saxon England , d. 1039, Wales (Age 62 years)
Northman (Normannus) of Mercia, b. 981, Mercia, Anglo-Saxon England , d. 25 Dec 1017, Assendun, Essex, England (Age 36 years)
SONS of
Leofwine, Ealdorman of the Hwicce, b. 946, Mercia, Anglo-Saxon England , d. 1023, Mercia, Anglo-Saxon England (Age 77 years)
Leofwine and his son's are very much historical figures and bothers to the earl's of Mercia, and can be found in wikipedia, check out a BIO on Thorkell here in History
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coughton,_Warwickshire
So yes, this was just something I dug up, no Geneological sites make this linkage, its just me clutching at strings, but its interesting when you consider that names could change in spelling from Saxon English, Latin, Norman and Scottish.
Aethelwine (Alwin), Aluuin, Almundus, Undewyn respectively (I'm guessing at this of course).
On top of that, the fact that Alwin's son Thorkill was only one of two nobles that initially kept their land after the invasion, and he supposedly has Norman ties through his mother. I was always curious as to how after Undewyn's Death in 1090 aprox, his wife moved to France, seem like a bold move for a single mother in those times, her having Norman ties could account for this,
Another little theory of mine, the link below states the Ewin maccuwel (maxell) was at was at the siege of Alnwick with Malcolm Canmore in 1093 where Malcolm Died. this was a generation before the Maxwell name was given in Scotland, but Ewin is pretty close to Undewyn right? and this account of Ewin was written centuries later
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/nation/maxwell.htm
Undewyn supposedly died in 1090
Aethelwine (alwin) of Warwick in 1083
Seige of Alnwick was 1093, all these date are pretty close.
so, just thinking, it possible Undewyn, left his lands in Warwickshire to his half Norman son upon the invasion in 1066, fled North, fought on the side of the Scottish (Norse-Gales), during the harrying of the north, Died at the siege of Alnwick, whereafter his other son Maccus gave rise to the Mawell clan, (land given to him for family service at Alnwick) and his Norman wife left with young Leroy to Brittany/Normandy
Aethelwine's cousin's the earls of Mercia were certainly fighting the Normans in Northumbria (Edwine earl of Mercia and Morcar, Earl of Northumbria)
wild theories I know... in the end I can only trace back another four generations with this theory, but is was fun to learn about the Norman conquest!
I live in Spain btw and go back to Canada (Ontario and Quebec) every year to visit my family, so let me know if you need help with the "Leg Work"
I hope this mail wasn't too confusing, let me know if you need any clarifications!! have a great day
Cheeers!
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